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Royal Botanic Garden
Edinburgh EH3 5LR
Telephone 031-552 7171
Mrs G Barretto
Kadoorie Experimental and Extension Famn
Lam Kam Road
NT
HONG KONG 27 August 1987
Dear Mrs Barretto
Thank you for your recent letter and the Rhedodendron
specimens which arrived safely. It was good of you to send
such helpful information.
fig you know I. am not a Rhododendron specialist - I view
Rhododendron taxonomy as dangerous territory to enter!
There are differing schools of thought, and feelings
- sometimes run high.
Mr Davidian went over the specimens - yours and the large
collections of Rh. ovatum and Rh. hongkongense which we
house. In the second volume (part 1) of his Rhododendron
book — currently in press - he describes Zh.ovatum and in
the discussion - ie he does not formally 'sink' it - he
considers Rh. hongkongense as a local form of it. Your
material served to firm up this opinion.
I have also looked at the specimens involved (ie venturing
into dangerous territory) and the original and later
descriptions. The differences given between the two seem
to be inadequate to separate species - even the hairy
winter bud character seems to be inconstant. Certainly
leaf shape and calyx and corolla characters merge into
each other — for leaves your samples show quite a wide
range.
Recently we had a Chinese botanist working here and on
his annotation labels he has "Rh. ovatum subsp. hongkongense
(Hutchison) T.L. Ming" - this has not yet been published
but is presumably the same that will be used in the main
flora of China.
So there are 3 current opinions: 2 allied species, one
species with 2 subspecies, or one rather variable species
(Rh. ovatum). From your information and specimens, I
would favour the latter, but subspecies rank could be
appropriate if there were, throughout the overall range
of the species (ie China & Hong Kong), good character
differences linked with geographical distribution.
We will incorporate your dried specimens and letters into
the herbarium.
With best wishes,
Yours sincerely
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translated by the HK Herbarium and Young and
"Rhododendrons of China", pub. 3 rt.
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variation in leaf size and shape in the material from the six plants.
Grateful for your comments.
The next bit of sleuthing I will do is to collect ripe
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Telephone 031-552 7171
Mrs G Barretto
F Kadoorie Farm & Garden
Lam Tsuen Valley
Lam Kam Road
Taipo
New Territories
HONG KONG 10 September 1986
Dear Mrs Barretto
Please excuse the long delay in replying to your query
. . about the white Hong Kong Rhododendron.
I've shown your letter to Mr Davidian and the following
comments are mostly his. He was quite sure that the specimens
you sent previously were indeed R. ovatum; and that it was
possible that the specimens you sent to the Hong Kong
herbarium were collected from a different specimen. The only
answer of course is that you should send us in March 1987
specimens, from truly identical bushes, of flowers and
capsules; as in the last paragraph of your letter.
If I may add a comment of my own, speaking as a general
plant taxonomist, I would like to know if, in the field, the
characters used by Rhododendron specialists to separate
R. ovatum and R. hongkongense really do hold true. It seems
to me that the supposed differences are rather imprecise
and not very convincing to separate the species. But it is
only somebody in the field who sits down among the bushes
with the descriptions of both and either convinces him/hersel?!
that the differences are clear - or else finds that the two
supposed species in fact intergrade and only one species is
involved. I would, in general, be a bit suspicious of a
situation where there are two species, separated by
characters of leaf shape and flower colour, growing in the
same locality. Different varieties possibly but doubtfully
different species. However Rhododendrons do behave their
own way and there could be two perfectly good species growing
side by side!
Best wishes.
Yours sincerely
I C Hedge
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Ref
Dr. Ian Hedge,
Royal Botanic Garden,
Edinburgh EH3 5LR Scotland.
Dear Dr. Hedge,
The question of the identity of the white
rhododendron species of Hongkong has reared its head
- once more.
I refer to your letter of &th August 1985
wherein you identified the specimens I forwarded some months
before that, as Rhododendron ovatum.
And, under cover of my letter of March 6 1986
I sent capsules/seeds of that flowering (1985), that you
acknowledged per yours of April 4th.
In March this year, I sent fresh flowering .
Specimens of this white rhododendron to the Curator, Hongkong
Herbarium, with copies of relevant correspondence between
you and I, re your identification of R. ovatum. The HK Herbarium
hed also been forwarded capsules/seeds from the same collection
as yourself. anh Clumaae, Gen pCenmf “Seate,
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Enclosed is a copy of the Curator's reply,, As ‘you’
can see, they maintain R. hongkongensis, based on description
from the Chinese Icon. Cormop. Sinic., Vol. III (1974)
At this juncture I would like to say:-
a). there might possibly have been two different species growing
on that huge flank of mountain where we air-layered plants
growing in nature;
b). of the plants we have from this layering, that there are
therefore, two species;
ec). that I did not collect flowers from exact lyth e same plants
for yourself, and the HK Herbariun.
d). -do.- for the capsules/seeds.
Naturally, I am looking forwards to your comments.
I would like to add that if it would help, I could, in March 1987,
forward you and the HK Herbarium specimens from truly the
identical bushes of flowers (1987 fl'ing) and capsules (from 1986
)
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Sincerely yours, An Sor
(GfOria Barretto)
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Dr. I.C.Hedge,
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Dear Dr. Hedge, mors
—~— As a follow-up to our correspondence
on the Rhododendron ovatum Pl. of Hongkong
(your last letter on this was dated Aug.8,
1985) I have pleasure in enclosing seeds
collected from the same plants from which
your identification was based. Also enclosed
are seed capsules for your herbarium
records.
I hope that the seeds are viable,
they were collected about February 15th,
this year.
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